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Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020, 17:43

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Hello your knowledgeable,

in botanical treatises I often read information about the found regions with further location information.

Here in the forum, indications of origin (e.g. AGA or HAM number or similar) have already been addressed.

For me, this topic is honestly a knowledge gap so far, which I would like to close, as I am also interested in hiking on holiday for the natural growing conditions of the native plants (in 2015, for example, I took the following photo of an Araceae in Pukhet, Thailand on a forest path (perhaps an amorpho? - The stem drawing will certainly help you a little further). Due to the limited time, I would like to plan specific tours for hikes.

My last beautiful holiday was in Breisgau last year. At the Kaiserstuhl I had a sensational hike - many local orchids just pushed their shoots out of the loess floor. There is also an impressive arboretum with international tree species, which can be walked through. I was thrilled... and digress.

Bali, for example, is home to the following species or are grown (and these numbers reappear):

Article
A. muelleri
Region
Tabanan Ag.225

A. paeoniifolius var. hortensis (with smooth stem - known as Suweg in Bali)
Region
Buleleng Ag.195, Ag.196*, Ag.197*, Ag.210*, Ag.213*, Ag.216*
Jembrana Ag.139*, Ag.140*
Karangasem Wb.10, Wb.11*, Wb.12a*, Wb.12b*, Wb.13,
Tabanan Ag.148*, Ag.223*, Ag.224*, Ag.225a, Ag.227*

A. paeoniifolius var. sylvestris (with rough, picky siel - known as Tiyih in Bali)
Region
Buleleng Ag.205*, Ag.207*
Jembrana Ag.146*, Ag.147*
Karangasem Wb.14
Tabanan Ag.228*

A. variabilis
Region
Buleleng Ag.200, Ag.202, Ag.203, Ag.204, Ag.206, Ag.208, Ag.209, Ag.211
Karangasem Wb.16, Wb.17

How to decrypt these Ag. and Wg. numbers? Aunt Google is not particularly helpful.
Could you perhaps shed light on the dark?
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Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020, 19:09

Hello Roy,

botanical gardens, plant collectors, taxonomas, etc. often provide their plants with numbers that then apply only to those particular plants or genotypes; in a file there is or should then give more detailed information about the origin (persons, bot gardens, game location, etc.).

The H.AM. numbers go back to Wilbert Hetterscheid, who worked as a leading taxonoma for the genus Amorphophallus at the universities of Leiden and Wageningen (both in NL) and has described and determined many species.
H probably stands for Hetterscheid and AM for Amorphophallus.
(His H.AR. numbers not only stand for Arisaema species, there are also pseudohydrosms, taccarum and other araceic genera AR numbers)

The AGA numbers are internal numbers of Alan Galloway (https://alangallowaybotanicals.com/ ), although H.AM. numbers can be behind his AGA numbers; e.g. AGA-1200-01 is identical to Wilbert Hetterscheid's H.AM.970, which is a very nice and widely used Amorphophallus maxwelii genotype or clone.

Thus, many collectors have their system of names, which is especially helpful in the labelling of the many plants; my BS-68 is e.g. my internal name for H.AM 970 = AGA-1200-01

The Ag and Wb numbers come from this article: https://www.researchgate.net/publication... Dennst_Nicolson , although I strongly suspect that these are simply internal numbers of the plants that the authors have collected in various areas in Bali and Lombok for their searches.
I think that Ag and Wb can be derived from the names of two of the authors (AGUNG KURNIAWAN♥, I PUTU AGUS HENDRA WIBAWA, BAYU ADJIE).
Ag = AGUNG and Wb presumed = WIBAWA
This is, of course, speculative; one would have to write to the authors and ask.
I had first suspected that there might be variety denominations of agriculturally grown paeoniifolius or mullerii behind it, but I think that they are simply collection numbers...

Happy growing, Bernhard.

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Freitag, 14. Februar 2020, 07:28

Hello Bernhard,

thank you for clearing up my misunderstanding.
I was assuming that maybe parts of geocoordinates are hidden behind it.
But your explanation sounds logical and comprehensible.

Greetings Roy

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