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Sonntag, 29. Dezember 2019, 18:58

ob das wohl gigas sind...

...?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Dracontium-Gigas... oUAAOSw7PNeCHLb

What do you mean?
What do you mean, Sonja?

From the flower, this could also be polyphyllum...
Flowers 2019
flowers 2018
Flowers 2017

Whether gigas in the pot and in size already blooms, I can not estimate, but the only gigas flower I have seen so far was huge and the plants also:
Botanical destinations in Australia? Figure 5 and 6 shows the flower
The flower is also much larger than that of polyphyllum and also not drawn as that of polyphyllum.
http://www.aroid.org/genera/speciespage.... m&species=gigas

According to the description of the plant on offer on ebay, I actually assume polyphyllum, because the leaf of a D. gigas becomes much larger than 1.50 to 1.80 m....
here is an ununfolded sheet in the Berggarten Hannover:
Amorphophallus gigas
I have to take a photo of a larger leaf in the mountain garden again these days.

Article description at i-bäh:
"Dracontium Gigas ( Amorphophallus ) young plants 10 to 15cm. ( :) still ).
After 5 years of care, I can now also make others happy with these plants. Dracontium Gigas is very close to the Amorphophallus in the genus. When I grew, I always had more than one leaf. Mostly there were 3 with a height of about 1.50m to 1.80m, where new leaves were always shoots out before the smaller ones died off. There is no resting phase as with the direct amorphophallus species"

Happy growing, Bernhard.

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Sonntag, 29. Dezember 2019, 20:38

Hello Bernhard,
I recorded a Dracontium gigas in Frankfurt's Palmengarten a few years ago; it looked completely different - especially the Petiole (see pictures). The plant shown on Ebay looks deceptively similar to my Dracontium amazonense.
Since the Dracontium species are mostly quite similar, it is probably not possible to determine anything precise.
But the dracontium gigas pictured is doubtful for me personally.
Vg
Ortwin
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Sonntag, 29. Dezember 2019, 21:00

Hello Ortwin,

this is what the D. gigas in the mountain garden looks like....

For me, the leaf stalk in the ebay offer also looks like amazonense or polyphyllum.

Happy id-ing, Bernhard.

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Montag, 30. Dezember 2019, 01:37

Hello everyone!

My gigas always had a strongly patterned leaf stalk, even the first shoots. In the picture on eBay they look quite colorless. And also the drawing of the older plant irritates me a little. I don't believe in gigas.

And - my dracontium are already resting - shouldn't they do that according to the description?

Lg

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Montag, 30. Dezember 2019, 01:43

In the picture the first and the following leaf of the small brood-tub...
»hsonja« hat folgendes Bild angehängt:
  • dracontium gigas erstes blatt.jpg

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Montag, 30. Dezember 2019, 09:12

Hello hsonja,
very beautiful plant; How old is she?
So my Dracontium amazonense never actually moves in. It behaves like an evergreen plant. Also, it sometimes has up to 3 leaves at a time.

Vg
Ortwin

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Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2019, 21:59

Greetings Ortwin!

The picture was from the end of November 2018. She is now 2 years old. Hmm, mine are probably as sleepy as I am, I will have to speak a serious word with them.

Good luck and greetings

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Donnerstag, 2. Januar 2020, 09:57

Hello in the round,
and thank you for the posts and pictures!

I also wrote to the provider about ebay and he wrote that he knew what he was offering and the Drac. gigas is also one.
I didn't ask directly about the source, but it may also be idle.

What complicates matters is the fact that D. amazonense was handed over over 10 years by the Botanical Garden in MIssouri as D. gigas to gardens and private individuals in the USA.
In this paper:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=... Km7N99BEB-zeJ-A
in the penultimate paragraph to D. amazonense.
Therefore, many D. gigas that are on the way are just D. amazonense, and are of course passed on as gigas.

As far as amazonense and polyphyllum are concerned, these two are very difficult to distinguish;
see D. amanzonense in this paper:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=... kpbFlXUVXV2UEvE
there on p. 610 under "discussion".

Happy reading, Bernhard.

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Donnerstag, 2. Januar 2020, 13:34

Hello Bernhard,
Thank you very much for your research.
The difference between amazonense and polyphyllum can probably only be seen in the shape of the seeds and the shape of the spatha - as far as I understand.
Since mine hasn't even bloomed yet, I'll probably have to wait until I know exactly what kind I have.

Vg
Ortwin

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Donnerstag, 2. Januar 2020, 19:49

Hello everyone

very interesting again. I find Dracontium mega interesting because they have a beautiful trunk drawing, and are almost continuous in the sheet (do you write that?) ...

But after the great research I wonder if my gigas head are gigas... the trunk is already marked much more strikingly...

A friend once said that there are no real gigas in culture... which, after bernhard's great research, confuses me even more, whether my gigas are not amazonense after all.

I don't think there's anything left but to wait for the bloom...

Definitely learned something again.

Greetings, Ralf

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Donnerstag, 2. Januar 2020, 22:09

Hello Ralf,

I think there are Dracontium gigas in culture.
In any case, they were collected, whether only by Thomas Croat at the bot. Garden in Missouri or by others, I don't know.
The plant I saw in the Botanical Garden in Cairns Is already a gigas; in the Berggarten in Hanover.
For the latter I could certainly get the data on the plant from a gardener there, from which it would be possible at least then to learn from where the Hanoverians got their plant from.

At the Hortus Botanicus in Amsterdam there is also one or two:
https://dehortus.gardenexplorer.org/taxon-24096.aspx
and Hans Vissers works there as a gardener and has once posted photos of the flowers here:
http://www.aroid.org/gallery/vissers/

In Bonn there is also the type:
https://twitter.com/BonnGardens/status/854970248738598912

What is striking about all these plants (Cairns, Hannover, Bonn, Amsterdam) is that the leaf stalks are very similar and differ significantly from polyphyllum and amazonense (at least from the D. p. and D.a. in a size of 1.5 - 1.8 m) and the flowers always beside very different thick and large leaves. Also, in my opinion, they differ in the form of flowering from that from the ebay offer. I can't judge whether this is due only to size.

Happy id-ing, Bernhard.

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Donnerstag, 2. Januar 2020, 22:53

Good evening!

I have searched for FB the Amorphophallus groups a bit. All I could find about the colorless eBay stems were pictures of D. pittieri that came closest to him.

Also I looked at the reviews - whether he really does know what he offers, hm.
There are so many mislabeled seeds or tubers on the way - I wouldn't dare put my hand in the fire with all my plants, that I also have what I bought or exchanged. In addition, the last 2, 3 years have been so much traders, some of whom have no idea at all, and slowly this turns into a heillose mess.

I also found some pictures to gigas - the :D same one of mine luckily very

In the appendix again a picture of me:D

Vlg
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  • dracontium gigas2.jpg

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Samstag, 4. Januar 2020, 14:54

Where is my love Sonja.

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Samstag, 4. Januar 2020, 19:06

Servus Marcus!

I still have one, but he :D doesn't drive - but lives but can keep his fingers crossed...

Vlg

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Dienstag, 7. Januar 2020, 07:41

I like to do it.

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Freitag, 13. November 2020, 18:07

Dracotium gigas

Dracontium fans,

today in the Berggarten Hannover: index.php?page=Attachment&attachmentID=6311 index.php?page=Attachment&attachmentID=6312


I suspect it's this plant.... Amorphophallus gigas

I hope I don't miss the blossoming....

Happy blooming, Bernhard.

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