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Freitag, 26. Oktober 2018, 13:08

Genetische Alterung bei der Kultur von Brutknollen?

Hello everybody,.

Once a theoretical question: can be drawn indefinitely daughter tuber of Amorphophallus in a row? I mean it is possible again and again continue to cultivate the next generation of primary Cormels, or there is something like a "genetic aging" which is passed to the primary Cormels, and then sometime is final, because the primary Cormels at the n-th generation at some point weak and susceptible to disease.

And what about that of other genera? Because I have the suspicion that the primary Cormels increasingly falter after a few generations, and no longer the size and weight of the previous generations reach at Typhonium . Did you because similar observations?

Greetings
Alex

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Freitag, 26. Oktober 2018, 15:36

Hello

Interesting question. In response I have unfortunately no, only the genetic bottleneck from the Animal Kingdom in the sense that came to me now where the successor generations from the pure inbreeding are becoming less vital, until it just by the "bottle neck" have gone, after they become vital again.

Would cover at least with your observations...

Greetings Ralf

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Freitag, 26. Oktober 2018, 17:04

Hi Ralf,.

the case is in animals inasmuch as different, than that is doing about generative propagation and the diversity/variation of individual genes this is always low and this inbreeding depression after several generations arises (or can occur).

Alex,
so an Inzuchtdeperssion does not occur for vegetaiver propagation, the population is yes a clone and the genes be combined as in the generative propagation new, but remain identical.
Vegetatively propagated crops such as potato or Apple varieties can be (theoretically) indefinitely.

Practically it can cause but mutations in Meristemen (shoot tip), so that even in vegetatively propagated plants rung / spin-off / Cormel etc, that deviate from the mother plant. An example would be the type of Apple Red Gravensteiner is caused by random mutation from the (green) Gravensteiner.

Another reason for the deviations can be the mutation by single cells, sectors or layers in a shoot tip, which then leads to chimeras; Example would be konjac 'Shattered Glass', which should be developed from a pure green konjac.

What you are describing could be rather due to the accumulation of disease, so that the subsequent population are becoming less and less vigorous.
This is a problem that are also clones; z B potato varieties There are mainly virus that then cause growth depression in passage of time.
The variety 'Hansa' could eg be obtained by by Sproßspiztenkultur in combination with heat therapy back virus-free shoot tips were generated which then again virus-free "seed tubers ' were produced, which then again the original vigor" and the corresponding yield.

Hope this helps,
Bernhard.

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Freitag, 26. Oktober 2018, 17:12

... only the genetic bottleneck from the Animal Kingdom in the direction where the successor generations from the pure inbreeding are becoming less vital, came through now me until just the "bottle neck are gone," after they become vital again.


Hi Ralf,.

where's so genetically is Cormels about clones - the "same" plant -. There's something similar, not only in single-cell organisms or other "low" animals in the Animal Kingdom. Some Scorpions for example breed (also) by Partheogenese. The females develop without fertilization hatchlings which then give birth to them. Probably there is studies about the vitality of the following generations. To plant, I have found yet.

Greetings
Alex

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Freitag, 26. Oktober 2018, 17:25

Hi Bernard,.

our postings have overlapped temporally. Thank you for your interesting design!

Greetings
Alex

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Samstag, 27. Oktober 2018, 18:01

Hi guys,.

Thank you for your Ausführungen...da I got quite confused or not understood. Is it already for some time as I have been busy still.

Greetings Ralf

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