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Hi Phillip,

I bought this winter also Mycorrhizae in the hardware store, but by another company. I started first this spring, to mix it into the soil. Made so far also as good as no experience. Forgot for a few plants to mix it into the soil.
From my training as a gardener, I know just yet that fungi are mycorrhizal, who live in symbiosis with plant roots in the soil and are found in nature, virtually always in the Earth of the suitable habitat.
We learned back then especially on examples from the forest. Tree - fungus symbiosis.
I have also no idea, whether it really brings out what or whether it is just a crock. Expensive so a packet. I mix always less than indicated on the label under the Earth. Because if you like mushrooms in there, they multiply by alone.
I will report here, if I did experience.

Many greetings
Christoph

Hi Phillip,

Mycorrhizae preparations are surely not the European answer to Superthrive, since both drugs have a fundamentally different approach.

Superthrive include mainly: 0.048% NAA and 0.09% vitamin B1, a synthetic plant hormone Auxin being a NAA (naphtalene acetic acid; Naphtylessigsäure) is that in the concentration the regeneration from roots can cause, but must not at all species / genotypes...
In addition, Superthrive contains approximately 50 other ingredients can be classified in the range of tonic.

I would very gently insert Superthrive, sure not often, because it so strongly intervenes in the Wuchstoffhaushalt of the plants. Auxins (NAA; have a permission IAA, IBA etc) in Bewurzelungspulvern for (foliar) cuttings; but since they applied Yes only once.

http://Green-24.de/Forum/superthrive-ANW...NGen-t7230.html
https://www.hausgarten.NET/gartenpflege/...ilfsmittel.html

In the first link also an interesting indication of the cost...

Mycorrhizae preparations contain spherical organisms fungi however, the roots of plants whose mycelium and there at the Nährstofferschießeung for and recording of plants can help. the effectiveness is viellfach, but depends on whether the type can be settled by the respective mycorrhizal fungus.

More details here: https://inoq.de/

I would expect no negative effects on Amorphophallus - attempt makes wise...

I've tried Superthrive, nor mycorrhiza in Amorphophallus but...

Happy growing, Bernhard.

Hello everyone!

I use also mycorrhizal. Could consistently only positive note, that the tubers with Mycorrhizae were significantly larger than those without.
I measured from BB´s - just by eye in the substrate.

No negative effects - except on the wallet...

Vlg

Hi Sonja,.

which mycorrhizal preparation do you take?
Did you even do a direct comparison - with and without Mycorrhizae?

Happy growing, Bernhard.

Hello everyone

am once again rather sceptical regarding the use in potted plants, without that I would know me but really.
As I understand it a mycorrhizal brings mushroom something only then, if the necessary nutrients not or available at excessive costs for the plant would be (by drought, soil or other defects). It is but as soon as you fertilize our plants rather otherwise, unless you listen to at the same time to fertilize. As I but know, which mushrooms in the preparations are nor what mushrooms Araceae can need, that would be a lottery game with double risk.
Additionally, the mushrooms want usually a kind of "Consideration" of the plants in the form of photosynthesis products, so that the plant can certainly get off with a negative balance.
I think that the times can be a very sensible thing, but are currently high cost against an uncertain benefits. I want to teach me a better...
... am looking forward to your further observations in any case.

Olvi, the "unresolved specimen" could be the substrate on which the mushrooms were upset. Spores were pure so a bit difficult to dispense.

Love greetings
Michael

the plant needs St installed in the plant tissue in ten times larger quantities than phosphorus, according to more of them. Nitrogen in sufficient quantity is easily accessible in many soils, however. Phosphorus, however, is bound in the form of insoluble minerals and therefore hardly available to the plant. This element becomes the limiting factor for plant growth.
Arbuskuläre mycorrhizal may increase although the nitrogen intake, but above all she improves supplying the plant with phosphates, by she enlarged the area of the plant for phosphate. The mycorrhizal fungi is probably special bacteria help resolve the soluble phosphate minerals .

Root mushroom fans,

so Michael's objections are of course quite serious - with optimal cultivation guidance (fertilization (especially readily available phosphate), uniform substrate moisture etc.) I also consider the mycorrhizal effect questionable. But who leads their cultures optimally???

If someone from the circle starts another attempt, please also make a good control with "without" mycorrhiza - without such an observation, any observation is little more than a subjective impression....

Happy growing, Bernhard.

I also think that Mycorrhyza in pot culture cannot play to its strengths. What I think is interesting is Trichoderma, which is a fungus designed to suppress ground-borne fungal diseases such as phytium and phytophtora. In the master school we also had a discussion about it, and there were people from large ornamental plants who have already had positive experiences with it. I haven't tried it myself yet.
Here is a link where you can buy the stuff in small packs:
https://www.schneckenprofi.de/trichoderma.html

Greeting
Timo

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to demonize the mechanism, I think the effect even makes sense ecologically in the open air, because it is better to unlock the resources that cannot be used for plants than to artificially apply nutrients. However, the condition remains that too little recyclable substances are available, which is not the case with reasonable fertilisation in the pot.
The orchids mentioned above are a good example. Their seeds need fungi for food to germinate, as they themselves have no nutrient supply like other seeds. With in vitro germination, however, it works wonderfully without fungus, as the necessary substances are present in a usable form in the breeding soil. (but I heard that there should also be a breeding ground containing spores, but i don't know more about it)
Michael

Hello Olvi,
Actually, I can't imagine that a mycorrhiza fungus makes its symbiotes enter, especially in the case of over-the-counter preparations, which should not be harmed in terms of marketing even if used in an unreasonable manner.
And if so, it would lead to small, but not lazy, tubers.
Maybe the number is simply too small, so that such results can be achieved. In absolute tuber numbers 2 or 3, this can quickly turn into the opposite.
Another attempt with several identical tubers would be nice; Klaus comes to mind spontaneously; if you read along, with your gigantic Konjac collection...
Michael

Hello!
Well, you have something in front of you... :-)
We have already done some experiments with plant aids, soil aids, EM, etc.... unfortunately almost always without or only with little positive results. at the time there is a lavender experiment with 10 different treatments, including fungal remedies... and there you can see very little.
A former institute manager who has worked a lot with mycorrhiza, once told me that the biggest problem is to get a product that also contains spores that germinate. He has always found very few or even no mycorrhiza in the pots... there is a lot of crap on the market. Unfortunately, the man is retired.
Olvi, I don't think the purchased mushroom is to blame for the tubers rotting. These can also be unfortunate coincidences. If the tubers were possibly brood-tubers of different mothers and by chance the tubers with mycorrhiza come from a mother who already had rotten places and were already infected by a pathogenic fungus...???

Have fun with Try No.2
Greeting Tom

Hi Tom,
EM, aren't these the microorganisms that are only fired at 700°C before they are supposed to be effectively useful?
Michael

Hi Tom,

from which institute director at which institute do you write?
Has he published anything? I would like to take a closer look....

Happy posting, Bernhard.

Hi Tom,

to the comment that a problem is to find a product that also contains germinable spores...

I know a company that controls something like this in its products:
https://inoq.de/faqconc/wird-die-qualita...s-kontrolliert/

Happy reading, Bernhard.

I wrote to inoq once and drew attention to the discussion here; Dr. Schneider, the owner of INOQ, replied as follows:

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"... this is difficult to predict, as it is multifactorial, of course the effects are known to be greater if the cultural management is not ideal. But the culture tour also consists of more than the main nutrients, temperature and humidity. With this I want to say "mistakes", i.e. non-ideal conditions are sometimes unfavorable combinations of two or more factors that cause the plant to worry (maybe only an hour at noon, maybe drought stress and plant diseases). We like to refer to mycorrhiza as insurance, if there is no problem, you may not need it, if a problem occurs, if it is there.

... The former head of the institute (but I don't know who might be meant) is all too right, even we rarely see competitor products that have decent quality. In Germany, there are (almost) no quality requirements for mycorrhizal products, only the fertilizer contents have to be declared as soil additives - they do not matter and they are also extremely low. But perhaps this long list ( https://inoq.de/forschung/publikationen/printmedien/ ) of scientific publications in which our products have been used for many years is convincing? Of course, we also do quality tests, but the others also declare something, the layman can't judge that."
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