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Dienstag, 11. Juli 2017, 16:32

Frost- bzw. Winterhärte von Amorphophallusarten

Hello

due to acute lack of space in my Conservatory I went over a few years increasingly to plant some Amorphophallusarten in the summer in the garden. Usually the beginning of October, I have cut off the leaves and tubers frost-free winters.
Planted out A. konjac exorcise me always so in early July and have formed a small Corm then until October, which again drives out in the next year, etc. A. konjac I can call up to 10 cm in diameter with me with nodules sufficiently winter hardy. Bigger tuberous fail the winter and rot.
Not I was amazed this year as also small tubers of A. again drove from albus and A. yunnanense. I am not assumed that these kinds of temperatures beyond the-10 ° handle.
I live in WHZ 7B and - 13.5 ° as the lowest temperature we had last year. The tubers were not deep in the ground, vlt so 7-10cm. The soil is very permeable.

What experiences have you done in this regard?

Many greetings
Ortwin
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Dienstag, 11. Juli 2017, 22:15

Hi Ortwin,.

a great topic that you did on :icon_thumbs1:

40 km east of Hannover is classified as zone 7 b, where the years are of course very different.
15/16 was a right mild winter, 16/17 also not as cold, but with a 14-day period with up to - 15 ° C cold nights.

Therefore I also expect that my in the autumn 2015 ( Typhonium venosum in original condition? post #154) Sauromatum planted from venosum 'Indian giant'; frozen It is Hardy in the Netherlands.
But see here: index.php? page = attachment & attachmentID = 3476

Also, a planted from dead horse ( www.amorphophallus-forum.de/helicodicero...n-f27/t5759-f10 post #13) has survived us winter looks only: index.php? page = attachment & attachmentID = 3478
This has me after the winter already überrrascht, because I had planted a smaller bulb years ago which has not überlbt the second winter.

Then I had a bucket of Typhonium fall / Sauromatum giganteum out forgotten and thought that I the kind now even my own... have called
S. giganteum always late drives out - and Lo and behold: index.php? page = attachment & attachmentID = 3480

Likewise with a bucket t. horsfieldii / Sauromatum horsfieldii: index.php? page = attachment & attachmentID = 3477

What surprises me in your description is that the larger konjac will not survive it. Helps there possibly a gravel surface in the Auspfanzen, so definitely not like waterlogging occurs?

Maybe you should try such attempts with more species, of which one has enough primary Cormels...

Here Alan Galloway writes that with him over a few candidates, (zone 7B) are Hardy:
https://www.Hort.NET/lists/aroid-l/jun09/msg00079.html
https://www.Hort.NET/lists/aroid-l/sep09/msg00208.html
There, you can search with the subject line of messages even after another...

Happy growing, Bernhard.

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Dienstag, 11. Juli 2017, 22:28

Alan's list is updated regularly by him, but he seems just waiting for Facebook to maintain the current version. To see the Amorphophallus group, last update yesterday. https://www.facebook.com/groups/amorphop... 40365345993639 /

Greeting
Andreas

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Dienstag, 11. Juli 2017, 23:25

Hello of Andreas,

do you have a Guttenberg keyboard???

With the 3 keys: CTRL, C and V...

Happy copying and pasting, Bernhard.

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Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2017, 16:55

Knollenfans,
mit Empfehlung von Alan Galloway:

Cold-hardy tuberous Aroids

Last updated: 10 July 2017
By: Alan Galloway


Sources for Zone Maps:
USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map (for United States):
http://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/

Plant Hardiness Zone Maps for the World (for various countries):
http://tcpermaculture.blogspot.com/2012/…-for-world.html
http://www.edible-landscape-design.com/p…iness-zone.html

Amorphophallus:
Amorphophallus albus (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus bolikhamxayensis (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus bulbifer (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus corrugatus (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus dunnii (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus fuscus (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus henryi (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus kiusianus (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus konjac (USDA zone 5a)
Amorphophallus napalensis (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus putii (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus symonianus (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus thaiensis (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus yuloensis (USDA zone 7b)
Amorphophallus yunnanensis (USDA zone 7b)

Sauromatum:
Sauromatum giganteum (USDA zone 7b)
Sauromatum horsfieldii (USDA zone 7b)
Sauromatum venosum (USDA zone 7b)

Typhonium:
Typhonium albidinervum (USDA zone 7b)
Typhonium roxburghii (USDA zone 7b)

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Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2017, 19:10

Hi Bernard,.

This is an interesting list; I didn't think that so many species are at least tolerant of frost. Now you have to try out guess what goes in this country and what is not. A. kiusianus I had suspected from the start that this type is away a lot of things, but bolikhamxayensis at A. or A. henryi I didn't think that.
So I'm going to try this winter, kiusianus A. I have still one or two tubers left.

Man, if one reads it so then I've nursed most of my tuberous pretty; probably, that is why one or the other has landed in the Amorphophallushimmel.

Sauromatum giganteum, ulcers and horsfieldii are also winter hardy with me; also, Pinellia tripartita ' Dragon tails'.

Many greetings
Ortwin

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Freitag, 14. Juli 2017, 10:04

Hi Bernard,.

I wanted to not simply copy Alan's list without asking him.

S. horsfieldii I have wintered well this winter in the pot out there, because he simply has crept in a bucket with my Frühlingsblühern. Nevertheless, he has had this year of three flowers. The bucket was completely unprotected outside normal potting soil in frost and rain.

Greeting
Andreas

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Freitag, 14. Juli 2017, 11:22

Hi Bernard,.

I wanted to not simply copy Alan's list without asking him...
Greeting
Andreas

Hello of Andreas,
very commendable!
Had I not made too... I've written him short and he sent the list then me, copy them... in the Forum with the OK
Happy growing,
Bernhard.

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Freitag, 14. Juli 2017, 11:27

Hi Bernard,.

also very commendable. :-)

I'm assumed that most are group here anyway in the Amorphophallus and therefore live to read that, but it is of course most practical.

Greeting
Andreas

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Freitag, 14. Juli 2017, 11:32

Bitte um Vorsicht......

Fans of forming tubers, tolerant Araceae,

Please beware that the species does not escape you...

When you consider the Vermzehrungspotential of some species, you can safely be invasive bezeichtnet.
E.G. Lysichton americanus is on the EU list of invasive species - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_inva...eutung#Pflanzen

(Still) Happy growing,
Bernhard.

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Mittwoch, 24. Oktober 2018, 17:31

Hello
I wanted to take up the matter again.

Last winter has separated but the chaff from the wheat. So here in 7B last winter only came through:
A. konjac (the rest of the varieties sampled from no longer came),
Sauromatum venosum giant, S.giganteum and S.horsfieldii,

Dracunculus vulgaris
Zentedeschia aethiopica Crowborough,

some species Arisaema.
and Pinellia pedadisecta.
A. konjac drives off very late (as S. giganteum) in July; Thus, the growing season is quite short, so that the tubers are not particularly large. Very nice Z. is vulgaris aethiopica in the garden, as well as D..


Did you even in this experience?
Many greetings
Ortwin

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Mittwoch, 24. Oktober 2018, 20:38

Hi Ortwin,.

Dracunculus vulgaris feels in our poodle probably out there! This winter we are trying for the first time a Helicodiceros muscivorus to overwinter.
Sauromatum venosum and back giganteum and A.konjac sometimes as breeding tubers in the ground and then exorcise.
July's but not very late for the shoot of the konjacs. Even with warm winter, some are with us until August full of SAP

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Donnerstag, 25. Oktober 2018, 09:05

Hi Ortwin,.

I have no other types of ausporbiert...

From the large (ever hibernated) tuber by Indian giant I've found only a pulpy mass, but some primary Cormels survived it and are driven out (I have elsewhere, I think, already once written).
Helicodiceros and Dracunculus vulgaris were good this summer right – I'm curious to see whether both in the spring to come back and possibly also blossom.

You've written earlier that you wanted to try kiusinanus - she did not survive apparently then.
Was that the only new species you've tried? You wrote "The rest of the varieties sampled from was no longer"...

Happy growing, Bernhard.

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Donnerstag, 25. Oktober 2018, 10:01

Hi Bernard,.
with "the rest" albus and A. meant A. yunnanense.

A. kiusianus also did not return.
She had quite a growth problems this year. It is much too soon retracted. First, I must see what is still available in the pot. In case of an emergency, I have more seeds; then I'm just back from the front.

D. vulgaris grows really well and grows each year with regular flowering.
Many greetings
Ortwin

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Donnerstag, 25. Oktober 2018, 10:33

Hi Ortwin,.

You write what pot; did you plant the tubers outdoors in a pot or in the garden?
This makes I think a big difference because a pot of course quickly freezes through.

Love greetings
Michael

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Donnerstag, 25. Oktober 2018, 12:40

Hi Michael,.
Yes, I wrote that misleading.

I had pulled plants from seeds, which I use all the time in pots. Since I had enough, I have planted a tuber freely in the garden. She didn't come back. The tubers in the pot I wintered as usual in the winter garden. By the short growing season this year I'm afraid now that in the pot also is no longer much in there.

I have a very well drained sandy soil in the garden.

A. konjac is my sure Hardy.
Many greetings
Ortwin

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Donnerstag, 25. Oktober 2018, 19:13

Hello

I have Dracunculus vulgaris, Arum italicum and Arisaema candidissimum winter survived the last. Planted in my Araceenbeet. The Dracunculus also beautiful large flowers have made this year. Most tubers have I bury at least 30cm deep and covered over the winter. For a week we had-17 degrees here in the top.

This year I'm planting out fracture even Konjac and Sauromatum.

Greetings Ralf

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Freitag, 23. Juli 2021, 13:52

A. kiusianus did not come back either.
It had quite a few growth problems this year. She moved back in much too early. I first have to see what is left in the pot. In an emergency, I still have seeds; then I'll just start all over again.
This does not surprise me, because kiusianus is considered a species that likes it a little cooler and reacts with the retracting at temperatures above 25 ° C. A corresponding note can also be found in the Amorphallus_soil_dormancy_list.

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Freitag, 23. Juli 2021, 14:46

... whereby this note is not directly in the table, but in the spreadsheet "Cultivation" - so something hidden....

Nevertheless: Happy growing, Bernhard.

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Freitag, 23. Juli 2021, 23:29

Typhonium venosum is certainly hardy in zone 7b, forgotten tubers in compost have grown excessively into my tomatoes. Here in February the temperature dropped to -12.5°C.
In http://plantsoftheworldonline.org/ you can see the distribution of an art. Then you can compare winter hardiness cards with USDA.

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