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Dienstag, 20. Dezember 2016, 13:42

Helicodiceros muscivorus

I just read the notion of ADA, since he wrote that he Helicodicerus muscivorus kulitviert. I have three plants.
That have driven out now in the cold greenhouse in November, move back then in later spring.

Do you think that is worth an attempt of planting? Here it is in Karlsruhe while not as Mediterranean, but only short frosts.

There are experiences of you?



Dienstag, 20. Dezember 2016, 14:30

Hello of Andreas,

in me a (small) plant has survived two winters a few years ago, but no longer driven.
Recently I planted out again two and I'm curious to see whether the re-emerging in the spring...

I know of an AMO friend from the vicinity of Kassel that he grows in a protected corner next to the House a plant many years and regularly blooms.

If it works with you, need you sure ausproieren, but chances are, Dormer I, not bad...
Deep enough plant... > 20, if not > 30 cm... and if it's not a sand floor, a drainage layer under it (sand or gravel) to waterlogging to avoid...

Happy experimenting, Bernhard.


Dienstag, 20. Dezember 2016, 15:00

Oh, sounds promising. Because Kar rest is Yes-winter-mild, there is only sand floor and I've created some Arizona desert beds of lava gravel, I will simply plant a dormant tuber in the summer. As already D.Vulgaris grow and A. italicum BB´s, fits Yes eigentl. the Yuccas & co. But it has a.

Do you have some info regarding the UDSA zone?



Dienstag, 20. Dezember 2016, 15:57


Dienstag, 20. Dezember 2016, 18:19

I just read the notion of ADA, as he wrote he Helicodiceros muscivorus kulitviert.
Hello of Andreas,

advance a little something: ADA is a female given name (from the Netherlands) :D , makes but nothing that happens to me again, that one considers the male.

To the Helicodicerus muscivorus: I don't consider my plant in winter in unheated greenhouses, because it would very cold here in the Rhineland, we have a similar climate as you, only it rains most here very much, throughout the winter, everything is wet, and therefore it was far too dangerous to plant the Helicodicerus.

I bought my plant early 2011 as a tuber, which had only 7 mm diameter. Meanwhile, it has become a vigorous plant that has flowered for the first time in 2014. Current year 2016, she had two flowers. She starts now since early November to drive out.

I even add photos, on the first of the shoots is in February 2016, as you can see already the bud, the other two are out there, I had out put the plant in early March.

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Best regards, ADA


Dienstag, 20. Dezember 2016, 22:20

Hello ADA,.

in just 3 years just to flower???
Then I am doing wrong, because I have H. m. already much longer...

Can you write some Nähres to the culture?
Pot, substrate, fertilization, location, season, etc...???

It would interest me very much...

Happy writing, Bernhard.

P.S.: I wanted to even write Andreas that ADA sure no "he" is... ;-)

@Andreas: Literature hint, if you need a Christmas gift or yourself want to read a great book:
Harry Mulisch: The discovery of heaven
However, the ADA in the book suffers a terrible fate...
Next to her, still an Onno occurs as the main protagonist; the name is as little known as ADA as a girl / woman's name as a boy / man name except in Friesland in D...
Who gives away dear DVDs accessible also to the good adaptation... (DieVerfilmung was panned pretty much, but I thought she was still just fine...)
Then, there is still a successful radio play based on the book...
OK, I take a final; It should be clear that this is one of my favorite books... ;-)


Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2016, 07:37

Hello ADA, thanks to je wel!
for your info BB´s and images. Now I'm smarter. Will continue to report on the Helicodiceros, you hopefully.

@Bernd: Thank you for your book/movie tip. Not only the star and N.Geographic the reader, only online, on paper. A try
your proposal there would be value to enter in the world of literature:icon_shocked:


Freitag, 23. Dezember 2016, 23:16

in just 3 years just to flower???
Then I am doing wrong, because I have H. m. already much longer...

Can you write some Nähres to the culture?
Pot, substrate, fertilization, location, season, etc...???
Hi Bernard,.

I looked it up, it's true. I'm always records for my plants, there were card, when then the PC took some decades ago in our lives, you could attach there beautiful databases, what is also fun for me.

So, my records and the corresponding documents say that I the small bulb of Helicodiceros muscivorus actually in winter 2010/2011 from England got.

Before she came, I made me acquainted, because I always like to offer a substrate and an environment the plants, that corresponds to their home base. I got so into experience, that Helicodiceros muscivorus grows on rocks, in bird colonies. Pretty sparse site, and much bird droppings, this eggs and dead chicks has the trappings, which leads to a dense population of Blowflies and friends - if you want to see it so Darwinian view, lay this dead horse Habitus to the Helicodiceros therefore.

I found interesting but the information that there is a high proportion of limestone and Löss in the substrate there. At a dealer of Cactus, I then found a substrate with limestone and Löss, which is actually intended for cacti that grow in extreme locations and have a beet root. Of which I have ordered me then several bags. In addition, I had read that the Helicodiceros necessarily need a large pot – so I added a clay pot with 30 cm diameter and height, and mixed a substrate loamy soil of the garden and the limestone and Löss substrate of sand, and deeply planted the small bulb a few centimeters.

In the summer of 2011, there was the then first 3-4 cm long leaves, moved the plant to winter there. Early 2012 I wanted to know then but, as it stands, and looked it up. To do this I had to dig long, and I'm amazed: the tuber had himself up completely to the bottom of the pot pulled down - so the big pots! From late summer 2012 there leaves again, this time bigger, the same in 2013 and in 2014 then the first bloom. In 2015 it had exposed, and then 2016 two flowers. At the time she drive out again, but only with a small leaflets. Maybe she does always a year?

In any case, I think some time, I should put them up in a bigger pot. Early January, I will again order me these cacti soil with limestone and Löss, and sometime even gently tilt my plant out of the pot and transplanted. Clearly, this is documented.

At the end, I show you another photo that I like very much, it shows the flower in the rear view, which looks but really elegant.

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Many greetings,


Sonntag, 25. Dezember 2016, 21:31


This is fascinating with the substrate. I've cultivated that in a usual porous mixture. Through the limestone, because a relatively high pH value must to be available.

Can you tell us name and source of the substrate?


PS: I have 3 different from 2013 and 2014 but still no sign of a flower. This should be on the culture conditions.


Dienstag, 27. Dezember 2016, 18:13

Hello ADA,.

Thanks for the detailed post!

My tubers have never seen a 30 cm pot, but I put them in deep pots of roses and they grow is also very good. But maybe they need more space.
That they don't like a confined root space or show a tremendous deep growth of roots, I see could this fall when I took up some pots, which stood for weeks on the lawn after I had taken her the coasters from the, because that were due to the continuous rain always full of water.
All plants had driven thick white roots deep into the soil below the pot.

I will also take into account then an admixture of limestone to the substrate in the spring...

Hopefully I can admire soon even a live great photo of the flower -...

Happy growing, Bernhard.


Dienstag, 27. Dezember 2016, 22:58

Can you tell us name and source of the substrate?
Hello of Andreas,

the substrate I ordered at ars, a trader for cacti seedlings + accessories.
You find the substrate under plants accessories, KSKL Cactus substrate is the name of the substrate with limestone and Löss.
Offered it will be pretty, postage increases with the heavy soils of course with the weight of the shipment, I gladly paid that, and it was well worth!

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Many greetings,

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Montag, 20. Februar 2017, 22:49

Helicodiceros muscivorus

Hi, here I am again,
and open a new chapter for my Helicodiceros muscivorus.
I found the shoots quite weak in January, also the soil in the pot had lowered a pretty. Very much of this plant is to me, so I decided to repot it now but after a few years. In advance I ordered me a sack of Thuringian Löss loam (for a new source did on cacti HAAGE in Erfurt – I shop there anyway because of my cacti and succulent plant collection).

Now it was so so far, the tarp was spread out, and I threw out the pot by Helicodiceros muscivorus carefully. I should have expected it, but I thought it was amazing: as in a disk sat tubers by Helicodiceros muscivorus at the bottom on the bottom of the pot above the trigger hole, and in the water. For the images, I have turned over the pot and reversed upped the dregs with the tubers:

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Overall I then the main tuber with shoots, a further large tuber (these were the two tubers, which have flourished in the previous year), and a total of four small tubers with shoots from this piece.

The original main bulb I have newly inserted into a larger pot and hope that she continue to thrive with me and blooms again in May this year, and I've been to four small tubers and the second large tuber in individual pots so that I sometimes have something to Exchange at the appropriate time.

So much for today,.
many greetings from ADA


Sonntag, 9. April 2017, 11:39

Hello ADA,.

Thanks for the update!
Beautiful pictures and beautiful tubers!

That the tubers below were found in the pot, only shows that the kind of like deep down stretches into the ground; in my rose - or Palm tree pots they sit also always quite deep in the pot...

Very nice, what I can watch since ca 1 week with me in the Garden: index.php? page = attachment & attachmentID = 3338

This is the shoot of a pot, the contents of which I have planted last fall; I almost expected the nodules have not survived, because the winter is Yes had with temperatures up to-12 ° C (or was it colder?) more about zweiWochenoder but still quite cold become.

I'll pour them plenty and especially manure to place it properly.
After the experience with the rooted up pots, which I had to last year on the grass, I think that pot culture is certainly not optimal; H.m. obviously thick, fleshy roots would like to send as deep as possible into the ground.

I will report more...

Happy growing, Bernhard.


Dienstag, 11. April 2017, 13:57

Interesting how Hardy the Helicodiceros seems to be! Then we will plant even one of our. The risk is not there, that she fall drives out? In the pot, she expelled at least last autumn and will probably soon leave a.

p.s. our Dracunculus grow at least planted as wild, we have divided them last fall and now have 6 pieces most grow.


Dienstag, 11. April 2017, 15:35

You can also try to cultivate through - going; until the fall with some of my plants I'd just plant them in the fall or before a dry...

Happy growing, Bernhard.


Mittwoch, 12. April 2017, 17:24

We will cultivate it as long as it goes. Can of course still be, that she already moves in the summer. We will be planting them then just once try, also worked with the Dracunculus.


Sonntag, 22. Oktober 2017, 17:48

Friend of the dead horse,

as an update to the image from post # 13 just a photo of the 11.07.2017... index.php? page = attachment & attachmentID = 3667

The plant eventually moved the end of August and I hope on the shoot next spring.

Happy growing, Bernhard.

P.S.: At this point, yet the reference to an older thread:
The plant about which I have written there is not again expelled after the 2nd winter...


Montag, 23. Oktober 2017, 19:35

our Helicodiceros moved about in August. We have planted one, the other remains in the pot as a precaution.
When is your photo emerged with the many blue grain on it? Not that the winter hardiness has suffered many fertilizers.
Jan and Timo


Montag, 23. Oktober 2017, 23:10

Hi Jan and Timo.

written as above: 11.07.2017... :icon_winkgrin:
I don't think that the winter hardiness by the late of fertilizers is suffering from - at least I hope so... ;)

The spring it will show... I will report...

If you have planted one in your Dracunculus, the chances that that is also Hardy, are rel.
As already once somewhere else, the kind with Berthold Suchy is planted in the vicinity of Kassel for years and blooms regularly...

Happy growing, Bernhard.


Samstag, 14. April 2018, 12:29

updae zu post # 13 und 17

After the relatively harsh winter, I was curious to see whether the dead horse has survived...

... on the same day in the spring's has returned to... :icon_thumbs1: index.php? page = attachment & attachmentID = 3910

Happy, Bernhard.

P.S.: Also the neighboring Dracunculus survived...
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