unbekannter Zwerg

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Stinkmorchel

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Dienstag, 17. Juni 2014, 21:09

unbekannter Zwerg

Hello together. We have a very interesting Araceae in the Botanical Garden of Bochum. For many years she was there boivinii designated as Gonatopus, we figured out pretty quickly that this is not so. Originally, the plant probably comes from the BG Heidelberg. The leaves are about 15cm high, the plants stand in the cold and make a winter rest period at 10-15 ° C (this does not mean that this ideal is, because no one knows the plant). It grows easily and well for years and has flourished probably once. Unfortunately, there is no photo of it.

The BoGa Bochum is not very experienced with Araceaen. Does anyone of you know this plant?

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Dienstag, 17. Juni 2014, 21:45

On the photo, you can see not much unfortunately.

Here a photo of G. katsatsaka: http://www.aroid.org/genera/serveimage.php?key=4718

I think now not so dissimilar. Which includes you, that there is another way?

Greeting
Andreas

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Dienstag, 17. Juni 2014, 22:20

That is hardly G. boivinii, easily because the way actually makes a large sheet 1 m high and which have then also this thickening petiole, the kind gave the common of giraffe's knee.

Except that you can minimize the type by unfavourable conditions of culture...

Happy ID-ing, Bernhard.

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Dienstag, 17. Juni 2014, 23:43

I must agree with Bernhard, G. boivinii is a tropical weed and would soon no longer reside in such a Bowl under reasonably favourable conditions.
My tip would be Gonatopus angustus. It is less common than G. boivinii and is not much bigger than the plants in the picture. Also this Rhizome-like tubers are very typical. The foliage is very variable, had themselves been different forms with wide and narrow leaf segments. Unfortunately all received...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/plantaphilia/

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Mittwoch, 18. Juni 2014, 20:30

First thanks for the ideas,
G. angustus sees her already similar as boivinii. Then, it must be a very unusual and particularly small copy but if you angustus look at times as the pictures of G. on Google. Poor culture conditions has not actually, because it grows quite busy (we have now some copies) and is also quite strong manured.

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Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2015, 19:11

Hi, we would like to take up again this post in the round, because at that time no really satisfactory has come out. Maybe someone else has ideas what this might be for a plant?

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Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2015, 21:25

Hello you two Sarcophagidae... ;-)

I sent the link of threads including request just to the aroid-L;
there at least an expert should be, who can help us...

Happy waiting, Bernhard.

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Samstag, 31. Oktober 2015, 18:49

Thank you!

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Sonntag, 1. November 2015, 12:21

Wilbert Hetterscheid schrieb.....

Hello your two Bochum,.

about the aroid-L were two responses, the first with the that it is probably G. angustus link of your aroid.org:
http://www.aroid.org/genera/speciespage...pecies=angustus
But most of the pictures are not very similar to the your...

The Declaration then wrote Wilbert Hetterscheid gesterndann in the second response.
Yours is a rather unusual, rare form of G. angustus, which probably goes back to a plant in Munich; If I interpret it correctly, the Alan Galloway-designation 'Chuala,' 'Mozambique' would be your plant with AGA-1492-01 leaf; at least it is on the side, which has broader leaves.
Maybe you can find out garden even in the documents of the bot, that Heidelberg has received its plant from Munich.

Happy growing, Bernhard.

Wilbert wrote:
"It is indeed Gonatopus angustus (syn. G. rhizomatosus). This must be a child of the Munich clone (as on the IAS website) that deviates considerably from many others of the species in having very short and broad leaflets, whereas more typically the leaflets are narrow lanceolate to even almost linear.

Cheers,
Wilbert"

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Sonntag, 1. November 2015, 12:54

Thank you for your efforts!
That's right, the photo of this clone looks similar to our. We will operate even more detailed investigations,
seems to do what..
We will report!

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Montag, 2. November 2015, 13:24

Hallo Zwergenfreunde,

es kamen noch zwei weitere Infos....

Bobbys Zwerg wird nur 10 cm groß, Susans wird hingegen größer, blühte aber noch nie.

"Mine has never been taller than 4 inches.
On Saturday, October 31, 2015 12:08 PM, "wrote:
Thanks Bobby,
this was indeed discussed in the forum as a possibilty.
However, the one who asked for the id strengthend the point that this specimen is only about 6 inch (15 cm) tall and is growing in that manner for years now.
It has flowered years ago bur unfortunatly no photo was taken.
He had the impression from pics inthe web that G. angustus is taller.
rgds, Bernhard.
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Unknown aroid in the Bot Garden Bochum, Germany
Datum: 2015-10-29T22:06:20+0100
Von: "Bobby McGehe" <>
An: "Discussion of aroids" <aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com>

Gonatopus angustus
International Aroid Society"

"Susan B.
Mine gets pretty tall, but it has never flowered."

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Montag, 2. November 2015, 20:39

seems to be a sort of pretty variable. The work colleague who saw the only flower said she was pale.

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Dienstag, 3. November 2015, 08:54

Wilbert Hetterscheid schrieb nochmals.....

The reverse is more likely; the plant which has, Wilbert Hetterscheid from Munich is also originally from Heidelberg, Germany; presumably collected by Werner RAUH.

Wilbert Hetterscheid:
"Hi Bernard,

The connection to Heidelberg is there. My "Munich clone" so has a deeper history in Heidelberg and is of almost certainly a collection by Werner RAUH but none of the Heidelberg databases comes up with something and tell US the whereabouts of their specimen is 'unknown'.

I may have again if his material so originated from Heidelberg. to ask Josef Bogner"

You could now start to dig:
http://scriptorium.COS.uni-Heidelberg.de/index.php?l=de
http://scriptorium.COS.uni-Heidelberg.de/PHP/FDD-Liste.php
If one restricts that comes Gonatopus from East, Central and southern Africa and the Congo, you can assign possibly the plants the field books 3 to 5, but they are not all worked up.

Do you have a number to the plant in Bochum?
Perhaps to see anything in the way of numbers, such as this one are:
http://scriptorium.COS.uni-Heidelberg.de/entry/?3775
The best numbers in the style of field book numbers - z B Ke 444 would probably or similar
http://scriptorium.COS.uni-Heidelberg.de & p = 27 = 45 & x & y = 20

Happy digging, Bernhard.