Lagerung von Amorphophallus bangkokensis

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Samstag, 17. November 2012, 14:43

Lagerung von Amorphophallus bangkokensis

Hello

According to list, she should be Yes dry stored in the substrate.
Does anyone have experience with it?
It is a breeding arm of 10 cm in length.

Also, Sphagnum moss idea or would be but dry?

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Samstag, 17. November 2012, 16:29

Hello

I would store them in dry substrate, how to list it in the dormancy is available. The dry soil prevent that dries out the tuber.

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Samstag, 17. November 2012, 17:22

OK, thank you friends

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Samstag, 17. November 2012, 18:19

Amorphophile,

I understand the indication "store in soil" in the dormancy list rather so that should be the tubers in rather easily stored moist substrate or through cultivated since the species concerned from the immerfeuchten regions and all have a very short or virtually no rest.

Perhaps, but the sure enhanced humidity to the tuber sufficient around in supposedly dry substrate.

Read to here (once) again, what has written on the subject of Wilbert Hetterscheid:
http://www.Hort.NET/lists/aroid-l/sep07/msg00061.html
or even here in the translation:
What Earth? Leave bulb in the ground? Origin?

Wilbert Hetterschreid wrote about myself that "Storage" or through cultivation makes it unfortunately difficult in the attitude these types, which should remain in the substrate.
I think that we that we have usually no warm greenhouse, have then also to bear in mind that the temperatures in the plug are probably often sub-optimal and the whole matter for these types is then even more difficult.

Happy storing, Bernhard.

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Samstag, 17. November 2012, 19:22

A.bankokensis is closely related to paeoniifolius and since I had from that storage. I think if that has to be stored moist then Alan would not dry they sent on the journey from the United States to Germany. Imagine that time with gigas or titanum above.

But well, when Capt. findings are different, then you can believe him without a doubt.

What I then but do not understand:

Quoted

species from (Western) Central Africa, West Malaysia,
Need to be kept in the soil all the time Borneo, Java, Sumatra, S. & SE China and N. Viet Nam.

But the Bankokensis comes from central to southern Thailand

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Samstag, 17. November 2012, 19:45

That is why my question was dry as because already all is located and also dry arrived.
I've seen then yesterday by accident, that which should be just dry in the substrate.

Before I do now some what wrong, I want to ask times.

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Samstag, 17. November 2012, 19:53

As long as the Earth is not dry, in which stores the tuber, it should be ok.
Then probably also certain tubers death would be too moist.

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Samstag, 17. November 2012, 22:24

Hello Ronny,

Stephen's objections are well founded.
Is the link with paeonifolius and a paeonifolius in no case in moist substrate should be kept.

Because you've got a brood arm/foothills, damp substrate is may also not good, because the dried interface is possibly but a place that begins to rot.
So, dry substrate in this case perhaps is the best; or the interface look just above leave out the substrate.

@ Stephen: I have Wilbert evening still written on, and asked for clarification, what "store in soil" in the species really means - dry or slightly damp substrate. It remains to be seen whether he responds because he has often little time...

Would have to continue seen yet once critically the table, because "store in soil" not just for bankokensis, but also for hewittii, titanum etc. is registered and actually getting a storage/through cultivation in slightly moist, but definitely not in the trtockenm substrate is recommended for the latter.

If I get something sent by Wilbert, I will let you know.

(UN)Happy storing, Bernhard.

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Sonntag, 18. November 2012, 00:09

Thank you for your effort, Bernhard.

for the Indonesian species (gigas, titanum, hewittii, decus-silvae, bufo,...)It is slightly damp substrate.

But I can imagine really no storage of Chinese, Vietnamese and Thai species in damp substrate.

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Montag, 19. November 2012, 14:02

Hello

I has transplanted the breeding arm yesterday and today looked up.
It occurred exactly what Bernhard had already suspected, the interface is rotten and that even after 24 hours.
I have to almost nen whole cm away snow, habs now first treated with coal and for more attempts it must now erstmal
dry again.

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Montag, 19. November 2012, 21:28

Hello

Why not wait you because, until this is resolved? You're but a little fault. If the interface fault after 24 hours, or much is rather soft, then you've not done they in dry soil. This speaks for the damp earth.

Would you have been dried, then the interface could not be rotten.

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Dienstag, 20. November 2012, 07:55

Hello Stephen,

now go times not too strict with the Ronny in the Court...;-)

The thing is already destroy zwickt, since Lord p. in his mail in the aroid-L bakokensis and titanum etc., has thrown in a pot.
I got unfortunately still no answer from him, and will hook up the days again...

Can you even bother the facebook group (I always still in detail known) with the question?
So how I vertanden did, there indeed some long-time collectors are represented.

It should be possible somehow still get out what types from the list really should be held vonWilbert in slightly damp substrate during the rest (and which in dry...).

Happy storing, Bernhard

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Dienstag, 20. November 2012, 11:13

I'll ask times when Alan Galloway

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Dienstag, 20. November 2012, 15:41

So hier die Antwort aus den USA :

Zitat

It really depends on how much moisture is in the air where the stolon
is stored. I keep mine out of soil on a shelf in the greenhouse....where
there is a lot of ambient moisture. If you were to keep it inside your house
where the air is very dry, then it would be better to keep it
potted in slightly moist soil. A friend of mine who does not
have a greenhouse keeps all his tubers stored in his house, but
he has several large, flat trays filled with water, he places a wire
baking rack on the water filled trays and then places his tubers on
the wire rack.....that way the tubers never get wet, but there is
constant moisture/humidity for the tubers.

Die Idee mit den flachen Schalen und dann Drahtgewebe düber ist echt gut

Aber um die Frage von oben noch mal zu beantworten. Sphagnum sollte auch gehen,wenn es so feucht ist wie ein ausgewrungener Schwamm. Also nu minimal feucht.

MfG
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Dienstag, 20. November 2012, 16:00

Thanks Stephan for the effort.

Perhaps reichts even so,.
The tubers are in a room where an aquarium inside it, da l water evaporate every day between 3-5.

I watch werds time, but the idea of the wire is not bad.

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Dienstag, 20. November 2012, 16:06

You may take the course as a small propagator and there moist Sphagnum in place and put the branch next to the Moss, and make the lid on it.

Since you have a high humidity, but no direct contact to the tuber.

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Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013, 18:51

Lord P. speaks......

Dear friends of tubers storage,

I have now received the reply from Wilbert Hetterscheid; He writes:

"the question of storage in soil is more than it was then not quite so simple.
In the general store in Earth, that one that easily keep moist there.
This is even so with bangkokensis.
Now there is species that need further cultivated in the new Earth, which kept then so moist (not wet) Babak so that the bulb can drive again relatively soon. For games that are A. tuberculatus and actually hottae.

This whole list would actually be replenish with new data
and new species."

Happy storing, Bernhard.

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Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013, 21:02

Thanks for the info.

Since the recurring question me... How does one slightly damp substrate without that it is wet :icon_help:

And above all, what is slightly damp? I've stored many types of moist and you are then scruffy.

Very soon, I had driven my discophorus for example in Earth, that my opinion was nearly dry and has a small bulb.

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Sonntag, 10. März 2013, 14:28

so once a small interim report.

I think habs get out, it is although not much left of the first 10 cm.

second the greenhouse has tried I variant with Spaghum, after 3 days mold with rot.
then the method of A. Galloway with the grid over a water reservoir, has not worked but also, the breeding arm is dried out idea.

Next, I have filled a small plastic bag with wet Kokohum and dei Aquarium lighting placed on the first 2 days of mold, but without rotting,
the mold had washed off every day.

After a few weeks she started then finally with the shoots, but in between time, the breeding arm is but slowly rotting and become soft, up at the top of the drive.

Today I have potted up then them and continues on the Aquarium lighting.

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