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Montag, 29. August 2011, 13:21

Helicodiceros muscivorus - Totes Pferd - Dead Horse Arum

Fans of the dead horse

in some other topics horse was written about the dead (Helicodiceros muscivorus) Yes often.
I do but once immediately it on the subject, so that the info combine here somewhere...

As a continuation of post # 30 here:
Typhonium venosum in the open air summer?
It is noted that the small Dracunculus has not survived, but the small Helicodiceros bulb is driven out.
The way seems to be winter hardy in zone 7B near Hannover in a very light, well drained sandy soil.

Unfortunately I've not photographed the plant and she moved very early again. But the tuber was also very small.
I wonder whether it is from back in the spring.

Plants in pots this deficit also not look so good, as in the last year; It was probably too cold and unstable, but the roots look very nice.
I hope that the tubers have risen yet.

Happy growing, Bernhard.

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Samstag, 17. September 2011, 07:16

Hi Bernard,.

my "dead horses" are driven out until early September that may be but not normal?
I had bought last year several tiny Saxifraga me and have therefore no experience with this genus.

Greeting
Achim
Gruß Achim
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elevation 42 m
yearly precipitation 791,5 mm - climate zone 8a
sunshine duration 1.443,3 hours - mean annual temperature 8,2 °C

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Dienstag, 20. September 2011, 20:03

Hi Achim,.
This is already normal as the way in Sardinia has Herbstes/winter again the conditions for a new growth after the dry summer with beginning of wetter.
In the summer with the start of the dry, hot season, the rest period begins for the dead horse.
In autumn, so now, the tubers are off then.
You can switch to but the tubers on our summer/Winterrhytmus, as long as possible out delays the emergence as by cold storage and the plants moist durchkuktiviert in the summer and then dry in late autumn can be and as cool stores.
I have unfortunately also again as a few special tubers who want to my statements holder and now cast out... this year:icon_irre3:
Happy growing, Bernhard.

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Dienstag, 20. September 2011, 23:43

Hi Bernard,.

Thank you for the enlightening answer.
But the plants in our will have no problems with the cold weather? I planted it is out there in the bed, because I once saw this some time ago they someone also all year round in the bed planted waen. Move to the rhythm is it too late once, because they are already fully in the leaves.

Greeting Achim
Gruß Achim
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elevation 42 m
yearly precipitation 791,5 mm - climate zone 8a
sunshine duration 1.443,3 hours - mean annual temperature 8,2 °C

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Mittwoch, 21. September 2011, 08:31

Hi Achim,.

well, if they are planted and in the leaves, you have probably only the choice to leave them there.
But in zone 8a should be the way you be winter hardy and if the site well drain ends one floor without Staumässe has, that would be also helpful.
Dredge is critical, because the roots are quite brittle. But if there are multiple plants, I would dig out probably one or two.
Do but ' times a photo – that would be very interesting; and please let know us as a friend is - good luck:icon_thumbs1:

Happy overwintering, Bernhard.

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Mittwoch, 21. September 2011, 11:00

Hi Bernard,.

You're right, I'll just try it and will let make them. On the same bed, Amorphophallus Konjac Hibernate and Thyphonium venosum without winter protection for several years. The soil is also very loose because I remove prevalent with perlite and pumice, there always my substrates.

Attached I have a picture with 2 of 6 plants.

Greeting Achim
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Gruß Achim
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northwestern part of Germany -
elevation 42 m
yearly precipitation 791,5 mm - climate zone 8a
sunshine duration 1.443,3 hours - mean annual temperature 8,2 °C

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Mittwoch, 21. September 2011, 11:10

Hi Achim,.

Thank you for the picture!
I am already looking forward to the update in next May.

Happy growing, Bernhard.

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Mittwoch, 21. September 2011, 23:33

Hi Bernard,.
I am already looking forward to the update in next May.
did some of the foliage can be seen in may?
I think after the first frost the leaves will be gone. Or should you can off really do that? Me is just one, I have stored there 2 wooden boxes of early bedding, I can create so about it. Has the advantage that it is not so wet.
Gruß Achim
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northwestern part of Germany -
elevation 42 m
yearly precipitation 791,5 mm - climate zone 8a
sunshine duration 1.443,3 hours - mean annual temperature 8,2 °C

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Donnerstag, 22. September 2011, 08:19

Hi Achim,.
the leaves will be not frost-resistant, but in may, the deaths could again expel horse.
The rain is a good idea.
Happy growing, Bernhard.

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Donnerstag, 22. September 2011, 11:30

Hi Bernard,.

Thanks for your tips and suggestions, I will report here when there is news.
Gruß Achim
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northwestern part of Germany -
elevation 42 m
yearly precipitation 791,5 mm - climate zone 8a
sunshine duration 1.443,3 hours - mean annual temperature 8,2 °C

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Sonntag, 15. Januar 2012, 16:40

I had of buried now in late autumn a few tubers in the open air, my part time to test the winter hardiness. Unfortunately the winter has been rather far and now I've just discovered that one of the tubers grad here is to develop the first sheet... :icon_irre: Da now grad temperatures most covered are, I am still quite happy to have inside even a backup...'ll report but at the latest in spring again, how's is assumed out there.

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Samstag, 3. März 2012, 10:22

Progress report: The "dead horse" have survived well light frosts, however when the temperatures went up to minus 15 ° C down, have been broken down the leaves. Today, nothing more is to see the foliage.

I will let up to 2nd half of May alone and then dig the tubers and after Mr. Titanum his tips [message 3] try to change them. Does anyone know whether the roots in the rest die off? Wanted to disturb not the active root system, something is fatal Yes e.g. at Dracunculus vulgaris from autumn until the summer, because very fragile.
Gruß Achim
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northwestern part of Germany -
elevation 42 m
yearly precipitation 791,5 mm - climate zone 8a
sunshine duration 1.443,3 hours - mean annual temperature 8,2 °C

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Sonntag, 4. März 2012, 13:28

Moin Achim,

up to what temperature do the leaves it than audgehalten?

When the pot culture, the roots die off completely to docking. At least if you keep then dry the tubers; I don't know how it looks, if you keep them on moist.
I would not dig up your plants in may, as I would expect, that they make now roots and expel sometime in May.
They are very brittle root.

In my, it was so that they spring out there in pots are initially driven, then but soon pulled up, what I put on the cold and wet weather last year. After the wet summer, I had actually expected that the tubers all are rotten.
When it was colder then and still wet, I got in then prefer but the pots and was very surprised that it only as springing from all pots!index.php? page = attachment & attachmentID = 788The photo is of the 01.01.2012.
I would have not thought that the confiscated tubers without prejudice to survive this wet summer.

You come out these days again, because the plants grow out there better than in the winter garden.
In the fall, I'll make then dry in a short frost-free Kühklschrank and put out that they only drive in the aril or beginning of may, when I then after they out there instead.

Happy growing, Bernhard.

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Montag, 5. März 2012, 10:42

Moin Bernhard,

up to what temperature do the leaves it than audgehalten?
so to the degree I would not set me. Festival is, but if they are in an open bed they drag an already at the first night frost. But the tubers, which I built over with a box of early bedding, have persevered until mid-January. It guess times minimum temperatures between-5 were…-7 ° C, when they made slacking.


The neverending story continues.
Gruß Achim
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elevation 42 m
yearly precipitation 791,5 mm - climate zone 8a
sunshine duration 1.443,3 hours - mean annual temperature 8,2 °C

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Samstag, 24. März 2012, 22:47

Hello

I hang here just off me, my Helicodiceros has blossomed today! Really an amazing bloom, who could man for hours consider:

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She was cultivated in frost-free in the greenhouse. Slightly larger pictures are on Flickr (see signature).

VG Philipp

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Sonntag, 25. März 2012, 11:04

Hi Phillip,

that sounds interesting. I may ask what low you had in the greenhouse and which substrate you had taken?
To have a size comparison, which is what the size of the pot? How old are the plants ca?
Gruß Achim
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sunshine duration 1.443,3 hours - mean annual temperature 8,2 °C

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Sonntag, 25. März 2012, 11:40

Hi Achim,.

I think the low was so at 5 ° C. It was allowed to not be too cold, because Yes there some other plants stand around. Substrate consists of unit soil, perlite, and sand, of course was still a bit to gedüngt. Pot size? Do not know, because I would have to look, probably a 17s. In any case, the Spatha was really 25 cm long, a monster. The age I can say unfortunately nothing, I have to confess that I've got the plant only last summer after I was for years looking for a larger bulb (at this time I can raise probably even one :icon_rolleyesnew: ).

VG Philipp

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Sonntag, 25. März 2012, 12:34

Hi Phillip,

Ah interesting, thanks for the info.
I have installed miene tubers now through 2 winter, unfortunately my spin and drive always until the end of October. This year they have persevered even until the end of January, but with rain-jacket. Because I also have a greenhouse which houses all not Winterharten patio plants Frostfrei at + 5 ° C, I thought I'll try it also times to cultivate the "dead horses" in pots.
Gruß Achim
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yearly precipitation 791,5 mm - climate zone 8a
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Sonntag, 25. März 2012, 13:10

Yes, if you want to see flowers at some point you should do probably!:icon_wink2:
Tubers annual get used to is so nice and good, but unfortunately it works how it envisions that often not so. For genera such as Dracunculus, Helicodiceros and Mediterranean species of Arum, the natural main growth season is now times in midwinter, therefore should be from the autumn grow if it is possible to do so. To get used to our climate or our annual rhythm seems to work (see Dracunculus), however, I would rather see this as a welcome exception and not assume that that can be done so with all kinds of sometimes very well.

VG Philipp

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Sonntag, 25. März 2012, 13:22

Hi Phillip,

I will then also times to make because I believe my tubers don't get used to.

Do you have experience when the roots form?
Gruß Achim
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elevation 42 m
yearly precipitation 791,5 mm - climate zone 8a
sunshine duration 1.443,3 hours - mean annual temperature 8,2 °C

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