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Philipp

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Donnerstag, 13. September 2007, 21:34

Why should the big stuhlmannii in better conditions make primary Cormels? In my experience, always the opposite is the case that so the number of primary Cormels with the size of the mother plant increases, even if it is already capable of flowering. In some tropical species (e.g. called hewittii) it is me happens but that on the mother tuber very beautiful, partly already driving Cormels were, who then but not came up but were dissolved by the plant. If but accidentally in the repot a Cormel is canceled, it has evolved to a separate plant. So you should cancel the primary Cormels at the repotting in some species, but I know not whether stuhlmannii also belongs.

MfG Philipp

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Samstag, 15. September 2007, 17:14

Quoted from "Philipp"

Why should the big stuhlmannii in better conditions make primary Cormels?

When stuhlmannii, it could be so - at least it was this year. 2 Tubers with same diameter developed quite differently after 1 4(6): 1 bulb was greater without primary Cormels, 1 bulb much smaller with 3 primary Cormels.

Puzzled with but also, just a large tuber can muster more energy for primary Cormels, or? Therefore, I wanted to know yes times whether ye have also made the experience. The Amorphos make Yes often quite strange things...:?:

LG,
Martina

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Samstag, 15. September 2007, 21:02

Quoted from "Martina"

The Amorphos make Yes often quite strange things...:?:

Yes, as Amorpho addict you are simply never before new surprises sure;-)

I would irritate me but not from the unpredictable behavior of the young plants can be, but rather the best conditions give the biggest plant. After all will we see sometimes a flower after years of care, or not? A. stuhlmannii a flower would be even an absolute highlight, because I know there are still no picture on the Internet.

MfG Philipp

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Sonntag, 16. September 2007, 10:16

Quoted from "Philipp"

Yes, as Amorpho addict you are simply never before new surprises sure;-)

You say it....

A flower ' in echt' would be like Easter + Christmas together :D . Then the small tubers to make times for the offspring and what goes is fattened the large...

LG,
Martina

P.S. It was once just a picture online, was taken out but again. Since then, there are only my stuhlmannii photos on the Internet actually I know...

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Sonntag, 16. September 2007, 17:25

Quoted from "Martina"

Quoted from "Philipp"

Why should the big stuhlmannii in better conditions make primary Cormels?

When stuhlmannii, it could be so - at least it was this year. 2 Tubers with same diameter developed quite differently after 1 4(6): 1 bulb was greater without primary Cormels, 1 bulb much smaller with 3 primary Cormels.




Hello Martina,.

whether stuhlmannii Cormels forms is unfortunately part of the (my) literature
(Aroideana No 19 and Englera Nr. 25) also not described.
It might not be that which has informed the bulb just so
or a violation of, or rotting?

Greeting René

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Sonntag, 16. September 2007, 18:32

Quoted from "René"

Could it not be that itself has divided the tuber just so, or by a violation, or rotting?


In the literature can be found at all little. But that they Cormels form we have already found out. See also look like so far every year, quite independent small "turrets":

LG,
Martina

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Sonntag, 16. September 2007, 20:35

Hello Martina and other stuhlmannii interested,.

do you know this?

http://www.JSTOR.org/view/01704818/ap070…=3 & config = jstor

MfG,
Bernhard.

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Dienstag, 18. September 2007, 13:21

Hi Bernard,.

You can view the link only with permission. Since I must now extra drive on the uni - or can the information come to me you have? PM?

Thank you!
LG,
Martina

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Mittwoch, 19. September 2007, 15:55

Sorry.....

Hello Amorphophallus fans,.

Sorry, I've been not thinking that I open can also pages with access, if I go with the VPN client via the University network to the Internet...

These are the link relatively dröge description of species of A.stuhlmannii from the magazine:

Englera 25
Publications from the Botanical Garden and Botanical Museum Berlin-Dahlem, Berlin 2003
Stephen Ittenbach
Revision of the African species of the genus Amorphophallus (Araceae)

If somebodies would like to know more details, please pm.

MfG,
Bernhard.

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Mittwoch, 19. September 2007, 17:46

Thank you, Bernhard.

Think I know the article already by heart :D (though I would have...;-) there even now a few little notes).

Is very interesting in any case but!

LG,
Martina

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Samstag, 10. November 2007, 12:00

After initial teething problems, they are later off than usual this year. Thanks to additional light, heat, high humidity and your help's goes off now but...

And because they are so beautiful here again a picture::D



According to Stephen Ittenbach, Englera 25, the petiole is: "Purple to pink, with greenish stains..."

LG,
Martina

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Samstag, 10. November 2007, 23:40

*lechts*

You look really wonderful...

These are 2 different clones?

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Sonntag, 11. November 2007, 10:54

Hello

Yes, the are plant # 2 and # 1-05-1 (from plant 1 - from the year 2005 - 1. Cormel). But rather believe that the difference has to do with age and not with the descent. On the topped it looked differently at all - much more green.

LG,
Martina

P.S. The 2006 primary Cormels make still no move to come"" from the shoe...:?:: /.

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Sonntag, 11. November 2007, 18:07

Antwort

Hello Martina,.

that the primary Cormels still not cast out is actually not bad, if they look good.

If you're lucky these push out only when the days get longer again. I have learned that the rhythm of the primary Cormels often is, if this one season are grown.

I wish only the best for the kids and I hope that they ultimately still succeed and are tall, beautiful plants.

Greeting

Chris

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Sonntag, 11. November 2007, 20:01

... If I have luck. Last year they have watched mid September already out of the Earth. This makes me somewhat nervous... The little experience I have, it is not a good sign when stuck the beads and comply with no roots.

Would be like some obstetrics. :/

LG,
Martina

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Montag, 12. November 2007, 09:47

Hello Martina,.

Perhaps you should try really Bewurzelungspulver to the bud around...

Press the thumb
Bernhard.

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Montag, 12. November 2007, 15:49

Ui, for such experiments I am then (yet) too cowardly.

Have you tried it for ever? What happens when the speeding tickets are still not "ripe" for pushing out?

Hm, if that would work, then I would make just also it at the this year's primary Cormels - which then 1 year wait...:D

LG,
Martina

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Montag, 12. November 2007, 19:27

Quoted from "Martina"

Have you tried it for ever?
Hello Martina,.

No, I have not tried even that.

Quoted from "Martina"

What happens when the speeding tickets are still not "ripe" for pushing out?
Hm, if that would work, then I would make just also it at the this year's primary Cormels - which then 1 year wait...:D

LG,
Martina

With this consideration, you must actually note that it two pairs differently are boots.

1. Your case of the tuber that had begun to drive, and then got stuck.
The Ruhebedürfnis was met with this bulb or in other words, the peace was no longer (by whatever else) broken; to allow the bud of the bud.
In the case, I could imagine me, that by Auxin ("hormone", which induce in low concentrations of root regeneration plants) a root formation is promoted.

2. Your "heurigen" Cormels, who are still in the calm and Ruhebedürfnis is still not satisfied and Knospe therefore not driving.
When such a tuber, I would consider the use of Bewurzelungspulver inappropriate.
First, the rest had to be broken. In plants from our latitudes this an often geschied by cold (e.g. vernalization to the refraction of the seeds rest).
Which is necessary for stuhlmannii, probably knows nobody; a fixed period, a certain amount of temperature?????

As always in the "Heurigen" remains to be seen only.
You can replace zT the need for cooling by Wuchsstoffe/plant hormones; whether something in the direction at stuhlmannii would be possible, it would have to determine experimentally...

Good growing
Bernhard.

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Dienstag, 13. November 2007, 11:11

Already clear that it does not work at the this year's - still a shame;-).

Imagine somehow not properly, how the high on a speeding tickets without roots or other control system will work. But I can do actually also not quite in the leaf cuttings...

In any case, thanks for the idea - a further consideration is certainly worth. Would be of course good if somebody could experience. I do not have so many speeding tickets that I can experiment so, Yes now also. On the other hand - what could happen because, except that it does not help? Negative effects are not expected to or?

LG,
Martina

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Dienstag, 13. November 2007, 11:26

Hello Martina,.

If it doesn't help, then nothing will happen probably.

Bewurzelunghormone in high concentrations can induce also soft callus ("undifferentiated cells"), but this is at the concentrations contained in Bewurzelungpulvern no reason to fear.

I think that it would not hurt the stalled Corm - but it is indeed your, so you have to decide unfortunately....;-)

MfG,
Bernhard.

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